That’s kind of what Paul Escolar said about old concepts when I interviewed him, and it’s true. I’ve been throwing for about 2 1/2 years now but I’ve never competed (except in a trick ladder when I first started). Competitive yoyoing is still cool and I give so much credit to those that do put out fresh material and win contests, but yoyoing for a long time just for the fun of it makes for one good stress reliever.

Back around 06/07, you released a yoyo with the now-defunct B.I.O. Industries called the Ego. I actually got one off of YoYoExpert’s BST a few months ago, but it needs K-Pads. How did that release end up happening? I really liked the way it played before the response wore out.

You’re really pulling skeletons out of the closet! I don’t know how it started actually. But it was an insanely quick process. Basically, I wanted to make an aluminum X-Con, with a D bearing. within a week of describing what I wanted to Alex, it was done and for sale at Nationals. It was a good learning experience, for all the wrong reasons.

I know B.I.O. Industries was notoriously a really, really sketchy company, but that’s another story for another day. Save Deth came along not long after, right? I’m a huge fan of both streetwear and yoyo videos so Save Deth couldn’t really be more of a perfect company. With the yoyo community being a kind of fashionable one, Save Deth is a pretty welcome fit. How did you and Dave get the idea to start the company? Did you wonder whether or not it would not it would catch on at first?

When the Ego happened Alex had just started BIO, it wasn’t till after it happened that I started hearing about all the yo-yos and money he owes people and stuff like that. It’s a bummer.

But, as far as Save Deth goes, it all started with making yoyo videos. The first video of Volume 1, “Downtown” started it all. Dave and I were really inspired by Miguel Correa’s “Manifest Destiny”. It was the first video I’d seen that told a story, and there was as much energy put into the production as the tricks. SO, we set out to try to make a visually interesting video. That was the spring of 2005. Once Dave was done editing that video, we realized we had something that might work as a DVD. So, we spent the next 2 years filming people who would come into town, and eventually we had Volume 1, which was released at Worlds 07. The catalyst for the clothing side of it was sparked in 2006 when I went to BAC and saw Kiya’s store, Turf. Seeing all these cool t shirts and shoes, it made me want to make cool stuff too. Our first shirts were just spray painted stencils. Later, as a “thank you” for making an Anti-Yo Eetsit video, Kiya and Sonny gave us a screen printing kit and a Polaroid camera. I don’t think they could have realized what they were about to start!

After that, it just started to grow. Volume 1 was really well received, and people were really into the stuff we were making.

Did you wonder whether or not it would not it would catch on at first?

It was never a question of if it was going to be successful, we just wanted to make rad stuff with our friends.

Photo by Gabriel Lozano

That’s awesome. Manifest Destiny is a good video, another one I like from that era that is kind of along those lines is Fidget by Spencer Berry and Jason Lee. I actually saw Save Deth Volume 2 first and it’s a great video. Not only did it introduce me to a few new players but some great music as well (the song “The Creeps” by Boy Noises from Vol. 2 is really good). What’s the process like in dealing with players, musicians, and all to put together a DVD? It makes for a really unique and enjoyable watch.

Fidget is amazing.

The process was such a learning curve, especially the music. Music Licensing is no joke, and we wanted to make sure we did it right. We would start with a list of bands we wanted to use and just go through and research them, contact labels or agents and try to get them to listen to our pitch. We are also really fortunate to have talented friends like The Envy Corps and Parlours.

Once we get the conversation going with a band or label, the next hurdle is the negotiate a rate. Each song we use, we have to pay for, every time we use it. So a portion of every DVD sold goes back to the artist. Our ultimate goal would be to pay the player as well.

The editing of the videos is basically Dave just working his magic. I’ll start by going through all the footage and cutting out all the misses. Then Dave goes it and sets the shots to the music track, puts in b roll and color corrects the footage.

Wow, I guess when yoyoers post little clip videos on YouTube licensing isn’t a huge deal. But, translate it to a DVD and having rights to use a song is pretty important. If you had to pick, what would your favorite clip from any volume of Save Deth be? I personally couldn’t pick but Danny’s part from Volume 2 comes to mind for having some really great stuff in it.

Yeah, when you start selling something, and it uses someones work, it opens up a whole can of worms.

As far as all time favorite, I’d have to say Abe’s part. I had so much fun filming that.

Not sure if I’m being off topic either but do you know the band Real Estate? They’re a really chill sounding band that I was into a while ago, and I can see some of their stuff being in a Save Deth clip.

I really like Real Estate too. Miggy introduced them to me. I think we listened to the Album “Days” at least once a week when we were roommates.

I listened to “Days” too all the time last year, a lot of good stuff on there. What about Wild Nothing? They’re a little different than Real Estate musically but they’re another band I like. Don’t know about their music in a clip though.

Yeah, Wild Nothing is dope too. I was going to use “Chinatown” for a video a while back. I think it was an Elliot Jackson video?

5-Panel Corduroy Hat by Save Deth

Anyway, what can we expect to see from Save Deth and you in the future? I know you recently released some pretty nice 5 panel hats that I’ve seen make some appearances in some clip videos recently.

The future, thats a good question. The new hats are the start. I’d like to do more with Save Deth, both on the clothing and media fronts. We haven’t put out a shirt in a while, but I’ve got new ideas and I hope we can put some of them out. As far as new media, things have changed a lot since we released Volume 2. YouTube was still growing, and HD video was a luxury not a norm. Now, everything is streaming in HD. In a way it’s awesome because now we don’t have to get DVDs made and have to deal with shipping. But, the infrastructure of online video is tricky.

It’s amazing how much of a leap there’s been in video within the last 5 years or so, I discovered YouTube around ’06 and remember when there were “Director Videos” on the side of page as well as putting that special code at the end of video url’s to make them stream in HD.

Dave and I have always wanted to make a photo book of Polaroids we’ve shot over the years. So, maybe we’ll be able to do something like that.

A photobook would be awesome, I’ve been getting into photo zines lately and although a photobook isn’t necessarily the same anything kind of analog-driven in great. Shirts too, I don’t think the popularity of a well-designed, comfy tee will go away any time soon

For me, my wife McKenzie and I just moved to Portland yesterday. There’s so much going on in this city, I love it. And I hope I can be part of it all. I’m setting up a little screen printing shop, and I hope to start a few different projects that I’ve wanted to start, but didn’t have the time to. Ask me the same question in 6 months and I’m sure I’ll have a much better answer.

I’ve never been to Portland, let alone Oregon, but I wish you luck! Any advice for anyone trying to get into yoyoing/photography/filming/graphic design?

I think there are still great places for physical, analog things. I really enjoy good books and zines, records, toys. Stuff that’s fun to interact with. Videos, I don’t think I’ll miss DVDs.

Portland is awesome. Every time I visit, I dig it more. I’m stoked to live here now.

As far as advice, I’m still figuring it out myself. Just ask questions and enjoy learning. If you have an idea, work to figure out how to do it.

I totally agree and feel the same. I should grab “Days” on vinyl or something, although my ipod is convenient nothing beats the warm sound of vinyl. On behalf of myself and YoYoNews, thanks Seth! I really appreciate it, and like I said good luck!

Thanks for inviting me to be a part of it!